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Is Amway a fraud group?
I was an Amway member in 2022 and stopped immediately after I found out their hidden fraud ('fraud• according to Merriam-Webster's Dictionary are deceit or trickery, an act of deceiving or misrepresenting). They use the concept of Pro-consumer in which you use the product and at the same time also profit from using the product. They implement the 'Weapon of Persuasion' to manipulate their agent and consequently their customer. I recommend you to read the book titled 'Influence: the Psychology of Persuasion' by Ph.D. holder in Psychology Robert B. Cialdini which in the book mentioned about Amway’s fast growing followers. I take some excerpt from the book below:“Other compliance professionals also know about the committing power of written statements. The enormously successful Amway Corporation, for instance, has hit upon a way to spur their sales personnel to greater and greater accomplishments. Members of the staff are asked to set individual sales goals and commit themselves to those goals by personally recording them on paper.”“A different version of the free-sample tactic is used by the Amway Corporation• The confidential Amway Career Manual then instructs the salesperson to leave the BUG with the customer... at no cost or obligation to her. Just tell her you would like her to try the products• that’s an offer no one can refuse• Of course, by now you and I know that the customer who has accepted and used the BUG products has been trapped into facing the influence of reciprocity rule.”“The laws are designed to allow customers a few days after purchasing an item to cancel the sale and receive a full refund. At first this legislation hurt the hard-sell companies deeply. Because they emphasize high-pressure tactics, their customers often buy, not because they want the product but because they are duped or intimidated into the sale. When the new laws went into effect, these customers began cancelling in droves. The company have since learned a beautifully simple trick that cuts the number of such cancellations drastically. They merely have the customer, rather than the salesman, fill out the sales agreement.”You'll realize almost all the tendencies they use upon you to manipulate you into their own profit.I'll list some so you would understand (there are 28 tendencies under The Psychology of Misjudgment done by Charles T. Munger):Liking/Loving Tendency: they arrange for its customers to buy from and for friends rather than an unknown sales person. Turning the salesperson away under those circumstances is difficult, it's almost like rejecting the friend. (In my case, my brother invited me, and it hurt my relationship with him). They even ask you to contact all your list of friends with given manual over a phone conversation.Consistency and commitment: they ask you to write testimony of their products and tell to as many people you would find. They even ask you to write down your goal and explain it to other.Reciprocation tendency: they equipped you with the bugs, a bag with free samples of products and some business tool to be used by subscriber.Authority: they use figure such as scientists to promote their productsIncentive-caused Bias: The more people I recruit (-not a real customer, but agents using the products), the more sales I could generate. For every purchase my down-line made, I got Point Value (PV) bonus, commission from the company. Most of the times my brother and my twin brother discuss on how to recruit new member down-line by promoting Amway’s product. You see, they’re not searching new customer, but new member.Influence-from-Mere-Association Tendency: High price means high qualityContrast Mis-reaction Tendency: they compare their products with the inferior one. The more inferior it is, the more attractive their products in comparison.In sum, Amway is a legal business but with a hidden motive to manipulate you to their advantage. Just like the Prisoner of War (being asked to write testimony of their own country dislike and spread out through the camp, etc.) being manipulated to serve their cause by using the Weapon of Persuasion.The reason why I joined Amway is because I liked their products and I was entitled for discount, even my brother started talking about me to his upper-man and customers for testimony. Then after I quit Amway I soon found out about this profound book 'Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion' recommended by Charles T. Munger (Berkshire Hathaway Vice Chairman) to be read by everyone to protect themselves from misjudgment and manipulation by evil crooked people.————————————With respect to comment I received“A company selling good quality product at extra premium prices”Only if the product is of high quality. I bought Nutrilite products due to their high quality products backed by science.One more tendency I didn't add to the list is Influence-from-Mere-Association Tendency, high price means high quality. Just like dogs salivating when they hear the ring of a bell.You could refer to Fred Rose comment below, regarding the quality of Amway's product:“In addition to all that you said above, Amway charges more for their product then what you can find the non Amway named product. For example a friend of mine sold Amway, I was looking for a under the counter water filtration system and he was bragging about Amway’s so looked at it and it sounded good, then while on the internet by accident I found the exact same replacement filter as the Amway for 1/2 the price, so I called the MultiPure company that sold that filter and they said they make the filter for Amway. Later in conversation I found out that MultiPure also made the entire system including the housing except the Amway version was a plastic housing with a 5 year warranty and the Multipure housing was stainless steel with a lifetime warranty, and the stainless steel version was again 1/2 the price of the Amway’s cheaper plastic version. Needless to say I bought the non Amway product.”There's study done regarding this tendency: It was the peak of the tourist season, the store was unusually full of customers, the turquoise pieces were of good quality for the prices she was asking, yet they had not sold. My friend had attempted a couple of standard sales tricks to get them moving. She tried calling attention to them by shifting their location to a more central display area, no luck. She even told her sales staff to “push” the items hard, again without success. Finally, the night before leaving on an out-of-town buying trip, she scribbled an exasperated note to her head saleswoman, “Everything in this display case, price × ½,” hoping just to be rid of the offending pieces, even if at a loss. When she returned a few days later, she was not surprised to find that every article had been sold. She was shocked, though, to discover that, because the employee had read the “½” in her scrawled message as a “2,” the entire allotment had sold out at twice the original price!“make money selling at a margin”(1) I'm not convince with the Operation of Business where their customer is their agent down-line. The demand is artificial, not real demand, due to incentive-caused bias (commission reward by the company in Point Value). As far as i know, (2) Amway is a distributor company (selling other's people products - affiliated companies) ranging from many products, which make the products more expensive by reselling.“The techniques you mentioned. That’s called marketing”or“I think your article is dishonest in that calls a great company with great products evil because the marketing tactics of some of the millions of sales peoples offends you”As long as it is used for good and not against the buyer’s will, that is recommended. If it hurts the feeling of the buyers after the transaction is done, therefore those marketing is not presenting their products actual value, nor the buyer buys because he needs it. Actually Charles T. Munger recommended only to good people for their protection, not to be used to mislead others.“I suspect the writer above might have failed in many attempted businesses”Sorry, but I’m not involved in any particular business even in Amway. I’m just an observer of my brother and my twin brother doing business in Amway. I have no down-line under me, nor do I sell their products, nor do I attend their meetings. I’m their customer. Moreover, I am still studying in University during my 2nd year.“If reading one book was enough to cause you to quit, then you probably will quit at any thing that requires putting forth an effort and learning what is required to succeed”It’s not the book “Merchant of Deception” which caused me to quit. It’s the operation of business (recruiting more member to increase sales) which I’m not convince of. Yes, I agree that you could sell at margin as a retailer, but Amway itself is a retailer, making the price more expensive. As I’m a risk-adverse, I’m not going to take risk myself, instead I learn from other mistake and past failure.“In reading your self appointed authority post, I have deduced that you are not a successful business person in any field”You don't have to be successful and experience to be a ‘carrier of message' of another successful person (I'm referring to Charles T. Munger, a successful businessman and investor)———————If you read the book 'Influence: the Psychology of Persuasion’, it tells you how to say No, when you feel pressured or having butterflies in your stomach feeling when making a decision.For example, if a person selling fire extinguishers came to your house giving free inspection, then after the inspection he/she started to market his product to you. You can just say to him honestly “thanks for the inspection, but I'm not in need any of these”. You took the gift (remember to always accept other kindness, if not you would hurt their feeling), but didn't return the favor. This person has done the right thing not to purchase against his will. The problem is do you know the sellers motive? We could just guess.Both my brother and my twin brother has quit doing business in Amway. Whenever I bring up the topic, they try to avoid it.Note: this answer has been edited many times due to hatred that i received in the comments below. Please be respectful with my answer, this is my first answer on Quora. This is my view, and you have yours. Peace.……………………………………………….Please read the book, ‘Influence: the Psychology of Persuasion' by Robert B. Cialdini (before criticizing me. You should attack the idea, not the person) which you could search online. Although simple, it's powerful to mislead you. For example:1. Why 38 bystanders didn't do anything while there's murder (Catherine Genovese, 28 year old women being stabbed to death) being committed in front of them without calling the police?2. How can a beggar (The Hare Krishna Society) able to produce large scale economic gains and funding the ownership of temples, business, houses and property in 321 centers in the United States and overseas?“Groups of Krishna devotees - often with shave heads, and wearing ill-fitting robes, leg wrappings, beads, and bells - would canvas a city street in unison while begging for funds• The unsuspecting passerby who suddenly finds a flower pressed into his hands or pinned to his jacket is under no circumstances allowed to give it back, even if he asserts that he does not want it. ‘No, it’s our gift to you’, says the solicitor, refusing to accept it. This benefactor-before-beggar strategy has been wildly successful for the Hare Krishna Society, producing large-scale economic gains and funding the ownership of temples, businesses, houses, and property in 321 centers in the United States and overseas. After once falling victim to to their tactic, many travellers are now alert to the presence of robed Krishna Society solicitors in airports and train stations, adjusting their path to avoid an encounter and preparing beforehand to ward off a solicitor’s ‘gift’. The Krishnas know very well how frequently their gifts are unwanted by the people who received them• one of the group members would frequently leave the central area and return with more flowers to resupply her companions• Her journey turned out to be a garbage route. She went from trash can to trash can beyond the immediate area to retrieve all the flowers that had been discarded by Krishna targets”3. Why member of fraternity members show the greatest group solidarity, despite having to undergoes hazards and humiliation of initiation ceremony?4. Why the cult follower of Reverend Jim Jones in Guyana, South America willingly took the poison draft which lead to the large scale mass suicide? Also what is the reason behind the increasing of suicide cases?5. Why traffic accidents frequently occur when there was a visibly clear road in front of the ill-fated lane switchers?6. Why opera theatre hiring actors for fake applause?7. Why a wonderful woman who having terrible parents marries a terrible man? Also why a divorce woman marries a terrible second husband?8. etc.
How do you get out of the Amway business?
If your intent is to leave, i’d recommend inviting your sponsors over to have a heart-to-heart. It’s what we did almost 10 years ago, and although they shed a lot of tears it was for the best based on the direction we were going. It’s unfortunate they sort of cut us off as close friends, but that was the culture at that time…hopefully it’s changed since then. Here is a review of Amway if you’re wondering what our experience was like: 2022 Amway Review | What To Consider Before You Join great leadership training though, owe them a lot in terms of entrepreneurship and mindset.
How long after I fill out a non provisional patent application, will my product be safe to market?
Never, but don't be afraid.By "safe" I assume that you mean a combination of your ability to make the product free of claims of infringement, your ability to exclude other from using it and your ability to prevent others from patenting the same thing.  I also assume that you are filing in the United States.  If not, this answer may not fit.Don't worry about copyists.It is true that people are free to make copies of your product today, tomorrow and every day in the future until the patent issues.  I think a supermajority of my clients worry that as soon as their idea escapes their lips everyone will start copying it.  Yet, that virtually never happens.  Why?If you sell your product widely (assuming it's unique and people want it) then you will sell at the highest price the market is willing to pay at the quantity which corresponds to the best per unit profit.  If someone else wants to come into the market the quantity will increase and the price will fall (that is the law of demand).  The second mover will have to consider whether it is profitable to sell at this new lower price, not whether it is profitable to sell at your monopolist price.  If this new price is below its cost curve, the second mover will not enter the marketplace.  Until an economy of scale is reached, no one will want to enter the marketplace."But what about really big companies," most clients who have never worked for a big company ask, "can't they make my product for much less than me?"  Yes, but they won't.  Here, the problem isn't variable cost, but rather that new products are only viable if they are able to cover their share of the massive overhead large companies have.  If the contribution margin is less than 40% (it probably is) they will pass.  Inventors often confuse copying with independent inventorship.  The former requires a transmission of your invention to the copyist, which the copyist then copies.  This is like a copy machine.  Independent inventorship occurs when two people are trying to solve the same problem at the same time.  It is still rare that this occurs, but it does happen.  In my last thousand cases I have seen one instance of copying and maybe half a dozen cases of independent inventorship.  This is not something to worry about.You can't do anything about infringementA patent is a right to exclude, not a right to make and use your invention.  If a portion of your device is covered by another patent, you may be infringing that patent even though you have a patent on your own device.Let's say you  have a patent on a peanut butter and jelly sandwich and that you are going to a patent infringement picnic.  You see the following:A peanut butter sandwich - no jelly no infringement.A peanut butter, jelly and ice cream sandwich - you find this impressive, and you speak to the assignee to learn that it has patent on this sandwich.  Nonetheless, it still infringes because there is peanut butter, jelly and sandwich.Filing and publishing your application with thwart a subsequent or simultaneous inventorA patent requires novelty and non-obvious over that which currently exists.  Novelty means that you cannot patent something that is available to the public.  Non-obvious prevents you from patenting something that is not available to the public but the public could figure out how to make your product given what is available and the skill in your field.Publishing your application creates a searchable prior art reference for a patent examiner to easily reject a later filed application.  Of course, the sales I advised you to make above could do the same thing, but the patent examiner may not have access to those and you might have a situation where the subsequent filer gets a patent that is not enforceable.Publication carries risk as well (most notably making life easier for copyists).  To figure out the best system to handle these risks requires a much more detailed assessment of your business.  If you PM me I can try to help you.
Product development - How do we reach developers to fill out a survey?
Are you able to build a feedback loop into a trial/demo version and offer the demo to the market to try out?
How do I move out of software engineering to a product/business/strategy role?
Why not start another startup or join one? If you’re as good as you say you are at product/strategy then you’d be a perfect fit.What aspects of product/strategy are you good at? Sales? Marketing? Market research? If you have any of those you could join a company for that role.Companies don’t really hire ‘idea men’, they want people who execute. Now if you’re apt at execution, then you might as well just start your own company to reap the most benefits.Failing at your last startup is not the end. It’s one of the most valuable lessons you’ve received to take into your next startup.
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