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Music Music hi everyone welcome back to the sounds like MLM but okay podcast the only podcast where we exposed a predatory nature about multi-level marketing for what it is I'm Katie and as always I'm here with my co-host Sasha and today we are extremely grateful and really excited to have Alison brain or craft on Alison used to be in Amway so this is gonna be a really really educational and interesting episode Alison how are you today I'm doing very well thank you I'm glad to be here we're so so excited to be talking to you so tell us a little bit about yourself okay well as you said my name is Alison Brander crafts I am married stay-at-home mom to five kids and I was in amway for close to 10 years I got in immediately after I turned 18 and got out when I was 27 yeah 18 is awfully young to get involved well they like involving people young because you know you're still starry-eyed in you're a little more gullible just to be blunt yeah a little easier to snow know for sure for sure there's a lot of a lot of people have had that experience with especially Cutco like coming to high schools to talk to seniors and stuff trying to recruit them it's super gross but that's exactly why they do it because you're a lot more vulnerable how did you get involved in Amway so I started dating a guy who was a resident assistant in one of the dorms and he was involved in Amway so at the beginning he didn't actually try to recruit me but I kept seeing him go to these meetings and as I was dating him I was thinking well I want to know what you're doing at all these weird meetings you go to I went to one meeting where they were showing the plan which means they were presenting the Amway business try and get people to sign up in their downline and I basically said that sounds like a great way to make some money and without sacrificing your soul for it which is ironic now in hindsight that's how I got started so your boyfriend at the time he was he was 19 right you said he was already involved and I believe that you told us when we spoke before that he was involved because his parents were correct his parents were distributors they had been at that point I think for five or six years and he was pretty much just waiting to turn 18 to get started hey don't put a plastic bag on your head how long had his parents been involved were they grooming him for him to get involved we talked about in our last episode how a lot of MLM people I'm sure especially in my are trying to leave like a legacy for their children like a family business.